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We see cyberpunk as humans having augmentations - but really cyberpunk would be *not* having augmentations in a world where most people do.

Because cyberpunk is rejecting the norm of letting big corps and the powerful few control your life.

Just like today where the _most_ cyberpunk people are those using Tor, coreboot, turning off the TPM, disabling WiFi and blowing open closed source firmware.
Not people with Google Glass & and an Internet connected toaster/car/watch.

It's particularly weird that cyberpunk is presented as this highly awesome technologically augmented human society, when really cyberpunk is about the increased gap between the masses and the elite. With the elite using technology to control, oppress and observe the masses under the guise of technology being useful.

@s this is also a problem with steampunk. It tends to focus on the jolly adventures of the upper classes, and ignore the foundation of colonialism, imperialism, racism, and capitalism that the era rested upon. The genre needs to lean into the punk aspect and confront these issues head-on.

@s I missed the moment where cyberpunk stopped being about surviving in a dystopia to being this positive, liberating thing.

You can be sure that 95% of human augmentations will be required by companies for work.

@s Counterpoint - Cyberpunk is not not having argumentations, but instead building your own augmentations or using augmentations in a way not prescribed. The Gibson quite that defines cyberpunk to me is "The street finds it's own uses for things" and that is the type of tech that should be present in any cyberpunk world.

@s Cyberpunk as a genre requires both types of people. Cyberpunk as a genre is not a world we want to live in. We are getting closer, though, as world governments and megacorporations edge closer to ability and purpose.

@s i really don't agree with this definition; the examples cited are very mixed and inconsistent.

Tor: sure, I guess, except that the entire reason why we have it is because the US Govt wanted wider usage so it wasn't so easy to identify activity of our spies. It's pretty mainstream now so I'd say it's not that cyberpunk.

Coreboot: Sure, get rid of binary blobs but there's no scary backdoors I'm concerned about. The Management Engine and its brethren should be controllable, but uninteresting. If someone's on your LAN I guess you've just been out cyber-punked

TPM: i've never given a shit about TPM personally or at any job

Disabling WiFi: what? Is cutting ethernet cables cyberpunk too?

Blowing open closed-source firmware: ok, reverse engineering is pretty cyberpunk

I agree Google Glass and IoT devices are not "cyberpunk", because they require clouds and corporations. But the equivalent functionality that is homebrewed? very cyberpunk.


Running a gameboy off fire? pretty fucking cyberpunk. https://cybre.space/@ky0ko/102834861178822026

Tinkering and building USEFUL things that you fully control: sure, that's cyberpunk

Modifying things that weren't meant to be, making them do things they weren't intended for? Yes, cyberpunk
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